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eaglebear4839

McCain's youtube problem just became a nightmare...

http://www.youtube.com/wa...re=related

Still wanna vote for this guy?

"Worry is using your imagination for fear..." author unknown.

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Reply #1 posted 08/20/08 10:27pm

RenHoek

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Excellent clip!





I really miss Tim Russert...

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Reply #2 posted 08/21/08 12:32am

renethebrillia
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flipped off i wasnt voting for someone older than my great grandma anyway

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Reply #3 posted 08/21/08 1:10am

mdiver

neutral

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Reply #4 posted 08/21/08 2:20am

BartVanHemelen

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RenHoek said:

I really miss Tim Russert...


1. Tim's gotcha games were pathetic.

2. The real Tim Russert:

http://www.salon.com/opin...index.html

There are many revealing episodes during the Bush presidency illustrating how the media functions, but there is none more revealing than the disclosures from the Lewis Libby criminal trial. Documents prepared by former Cheney Communications Director Catherine Martin (wife of FCC Chairman Kevin Martin) boasted that Tim Russert's Meet the Press was the best venue for Cheney to answer questions because he was able to "control message." Martin also testified at trial that she "suggested we put the vice president on 'Meet the Press,' which was a tactic we often used. It's our best format" (Dana Milbank: "Memo to Tim Russert: Dick Cheney thinks he controls you"). Russert himself subsequently testified that "when any senior government official calls him, they are presumptively off the record" (Dan Froomkin: "That's not reporting, that's enabling. That's how you treat your friends when you're having an innocent chat, not the people you're supposed to be holding accountable").

Just think about what that meant: the single greatest source of government disinformation and corruption in America -- Dick Cheney's office -- viewed Tim Russert as the most pliable and effective instrument for disseminating their propaganda to the country. That's not media critics or rabble-bloggers saying that. That was the view of Russert which Dick Cheney's office had -- and understandably so.

And yet -- or, more accurately, "therefore" -- it's the very same pliant instrument of government disinformation -- Tim Russert -- who was viewed more or less unanimously by the media class as being the embodiment of everything that a Good Journalist should be. The very same person who -- by Dick Cheney's own assessment -- served most eagerly as a propaganda tool for the political class was simultaneously viewed by his colleagues as the Consummate Journalist. If you wanted to prove how subservient our establishment media is to the Government, would it be possible to invent better evidence than that? As Lewis Lapham recently put it in his Harper's piece entitled "Elegy for a Rubber Stamp" (sub. rq'd):

[Russert's] on-air persona was that of an attentive and accommodating headwaiter, as helpless as Charlie Rose in his infatuation with A-list celebrity.


That is who was canonized -- by the media and, revealingly, by the Right -- as the Model of Great Journalism. That's because the core function of the establishment press is to obtain and then disseminate government claims. Those journalists (such as Russert) who can do that best and most effectively -- typically due to their close and amicable relationships with Government officials ("it's fun to get to know some of them. The truth is reporters tend to hang out with the people in the [White House] press office") -- become the most celebrated media stars. As David Halberstam said in 2006: "By and large, the more famous you are, the less of a journalist you are." One could add to that observation that the more gushing affection and admiration you harbor for your "extremely discreet" Government-official/friends, the less of a journalist you are.


Instead of Russert, pay attention to real journalists like Glenn Greenwald, Murray Waas,...

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Reply #5 posted 08/21/08 4:57am

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great clip - thanks!

it looks to me that, during the debates, a lot of answers go unchallenged so that the pundits have something to talk about later. the format needs to be changed so that the candidates can't just sit there and claim "i never said that".

then again, why piss on the hand that feeds you? confused

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Reply #6 posted 08/21/08 6:37am

JellyBean

OMG!! Thanks for the clips.

“Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative.” John Stuart Mill
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Reply #7 posted 08/21/08 7:37am

superman

renethebrilliant said:

flipped off i wasnt voting for someone older than my great grandma anyway



but you seem to excel at caps lock smile

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Reply #8 posted 08/21/08 9:45am

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BartVanHemelen said:

RenHoek said:

I really miss Tim Russert...


1. Tim's gotcha games were pathetic.

2. The real Tim Russert:

http://www.salon.com/opin...index.html



That is who was canonized -- by the media and, revealingly, by the Right -- as the Model of Great Journalism. That's because the core function of the establishment press is to obtain and then disseminate government claims. Those journalists (such as Russert) who can do that best and most effectively -- typically due to their close and amicable relationships with Government officials ("it's fun to get to know some of them. The truth is reporters tend to hang out with the people in the [White House] press office") -- become the most celebrated media stars. As David Halberstam said in 2006: "By and large, the more famous you are, the less of a journalist you are." One could add to that observation that the more gushing affection and admiration you harbor for your "extremely discreet" Government-official/friends, the less of a journalist you are.

Instead of Russert, pay attention to real journalists like Glenn Greenwald, Murray Waas,...


Oh great! Cut & Paste stuff from AN OPINION column to sway me...

Whatever dude, I still miss Tim Russert.


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Reply #9 posted 08/23/08 1:45am

eaglebear4839

my pleasure - I consider it my duty to point out Republican hypocrisy whenever I can.

JellyBean said:

OMG!! Thanks for the clips.

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Reply #10 posted 08/23/08 12:40pm

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enlightening neutral

small circles, big wheels!

say something once, why say it again?
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Reply #11 posted 08/24/08 10:11am

superman

eaglebear4839 said:

my pleasure - I consider it my duty to point out Republican hypocrisy whenever I can.

JellyBean said:

OMG!! Thanks for the clips.



the liberal screams shrilly as they head off to a Louis Farrakhan rally about unity.

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Reply #12 posted 08/24/08 10:55am

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falloff at the part where McCain says he would have been on the ground helping Hurricane Katrina victims and then we are shown that he was actually celebrating his birthday with W. the morning after.

$87 million for a campaign
$150,000 for a fashion makeover
$26,000 for a make up artist
Losing the election, priceless
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Reply #13 posted 08/24/08 12:16pm

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DevotedPuppy said:

falloff at the part where McCain says he would have been on the ground helping Hurricane Katrina victims and then we are shown that he was actually celebrating his birthday with W. the morning after.



exactly!

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Reply #14 posted 08/24/08 12:23pm

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double post redface
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"I think one of the things that we're probably proudest of -- I certainly am -- is that the message was always love, in any form we portrayed it." - Paul McCartney
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Reply #15 posted 08/24/08 12:24pm

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here you go!

"I think one of the things that we're probably proudest of -- I certainly am -- is that the message was always love, in any form we portrayed it." - Paul McCartney
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Reply #16 posted 08/25/08 12:45am

BartVanHemelen

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RenHoek said:

Oh great! Cut & Paste stuff from AN OPINION column to sway me...

Whatever dude, I still miss Tim Russert.


Yeah, it's all just opinion. Well, except for the damning evidence from the Lewis Libby criminal trial, where former Cheney Communications Director Catherine Martin (wife of FCC Chairman Kevin Martin) boasted that Tim Russert's Meet the Press was the best venue for Cheney to answer questions because he was able to "control message."

And at that same trial, Russert himself subsequently testified that "when any senior government official calls him, they are presumptively off the record".

And yet people still think he's a great journalist.

Sheesh, even that YouTube clip exposes him for the incompetent boob he was: he let McCain get away with a joke, and didn't come back until days later, because "he had to look it up". So he came up with a question, based on a damning quote from McCain himself, and when McCain waved it away with a lame joke, he couldn't bring himself to confront McCain with the source? What the fuck is on those papers in front of him? Isn't that supposed to be his RESEARCH?

I seriously don't understand why Russert was considered such a great man, and why he was allowed to host such an important program. Then again, seeing the baloney spouted by Brokaw this weekend on MTP, I guess it doesn't matter which stooge occupies that chair: http://www.crooksandliars...pow-water/ .

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