Gay Marriage is Right, and Banning it is a Violation of Civil Rights.

The Church is WRONG.

Many people say that "Jesus" said that homosexuals cannot marry. He did not. Jesus didn't say one thing against gays. You motherfuckers are reading too much stuff from the Old Testament, or having phone chats with Bin Laden or some shit.

The Church, Synagogues, and Mosques, while many of their members are molesting children, blowing themselves up for Allah, killing abortion doctors- HALLELUJAH fucking hypocrites, murdering in wars, marrying multiple wives, and raping and forcing 12 year old girls into marriage, have NO RIGHT to tell people that gay marriage is wrong. Many founders of the nation were bisexual, and they wrote the Constitution, which does not discriminate against anyone based on sexual orientation.

Gay people have EVERY RIGHT to marry. Keep up the fight!

So don't sleep until you're guilty, 'cuz sinners all r we
There's others doing far worse than us.....yepppp!!!! Keep up the fight!

another alter

You know what?

I watched Larry King last night, and this guy who what for Prop 8 said that in all cultures where ss marriage was allowed freedom of religion was threatened or morals, maybe? (I have to go back to look at the transcript!)

Unfortunately, Joy--the sub hostess--did not let him elaborate because they did not have time..

But this is not true! In Spain and Canada the morals and freedom of religion is still there, no? I have not heard of a moral decline or restriction of religion in Belgium, Norway, the Netherlands, or South Africa either!

What is this guy talking about?? I wish Joy would have let him speak! I am going to go find the transcript so you all can look at it!

This is the exchange (question then answer):


BEHAR: I have a question. Let me ask you, reverend, how does a gay marriage hurt you as a heterosexual? I'm wondering. How does it hurt you?

GARLOW: I wish we had about an hour for me to answer. To put it in a sound bite, every place we have historical models where same-sex marriage is validated by the government, Europe or even in the United States, we find a stripping away of the rights, parental rights of parents, number one. Number two, personal freedoms and religious freedoms all evaporate quickly.

I cannot believe all what he said is true. I have never heard of this!

To read the entire interview click the following show link, then go to bottom of page and click transcripts, then click for Nov. 14:

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Pr...king.live/

(I tried to link directly the transcipt page but could not get it to work.)

You have to scroll down because the first part they were talking about Hillary Clinton as Sec of State... I think this would be wonderful, but then how could she run for President again? Of course this is not the topic on this thread, but to find the discussion on ss marriagge scroll down. I thought it was interesting.
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mdiver said:

another alter

BoboTheBear said:

mdiver said:

another alter

How do you know that?

And, even if this was an alias account, at least I don't use it to bait people and say shit that isn't true just for the sake of arguing with people.

lascantas said:

lazycrockett said:

You know,

It doesn't matter what the outcome of a debate as to if Jesus would consider gay marriage right or wrong is, the issue of a nation recognizing gay marriage is civil, not religious....

No church should ever be forced to marry a gay couple, but the government needs to extend the rights of civil marriage to gay people.

Technically, a marriage recognized by say.... Islam... that is, a marriage blessed by an Imam - is not right according to a true Christian. However, very few Americans would say that Muslims don't deserve the right to marry each other because it's not recognized or supported by Christ. The rights of gay couples is about liberty and freedom, not a holy omnipotent whatever blessing them to go into heaven.

Hell, 99.9% of the people are wrong 99.9% of the time about 99.9 of the issues - just a view, may be mine, may not be mine.

mdiver said:

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BoboTheBear said:

The thing that bothers me the most is doesn’t the Mormon Church have anything better spend millions on? Shouldn’t they be feeding the hungry instead?

With all the problems in the world they sit around worrying who has the right to get married. Unbelievable.

You know if this was about money out of your pocket or the governments pocket, or if they were committing crimes, or forcing you to attend their ceremonies as best man is one thing, but this is just plain ignorant.
Spending millions to keep people from getting married, god have mercy people are stupid.

violetblues said:

"When asked about his perspective on social issues—gay marriage, abortion—Prince tapped his Bible and said, “God came to earth and saw people sticking it wherever and doing it with whatever, and he just cleared it all out. He was, like, ‘Enough.’ ”

http://www.newyorker.com/...lk_hoffman

jtfolden said:

"Shake yer reptile, baby!"

jtfolden said:

The Bible has loads more to say bout the sin of divorce than it says about gays. I guess prince's seat in hell is already reserved.

BoboTheBear said:

thepope2the9s said:

mdiver said:

thepope2the9s said:

However, Jesus spoke about marriage and when speaking stated that a man leaves his parents and a woman leaves her wife and the two are joined together as one.

Here is the exact text.

Matthew 19:4-6
Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."


Why didnt he say a a man and a man are united as one? or woman and woman?

so lesbians are ok :phew:

thepope2the9s said:

mdiver said:

so lesbians are ok :phew:

no. where would you get that.

thepope2the9s said:

ehuffnsd said:

thepope2the9s said:

True...a lot of Christians pick and choose what to believe from the Bible. But like it or not, the Bible does speak against homosexuality. I'm not going to quote every scripture, but I think this is the most blatant one:

"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders." 1 Corinthians 6:9 (NIV)

The Bible does not explicitly say that homosexuals should not marry, but only refers to marriage as a man and a woman (I'm only talking about the New Testament here).

I could care less of gay people marry each other, but I would be outraged if folks start demanding that churches marry them. Ever heard of "separation of church and state?" Churches refuse to marry couples all the time for certain things that go against that church's doctrine. My friend's JW hall won't marry couples unless they are both JWs. Another friend couldn't get married in a catholic church because her boyfriend was divorced. I know this church that won't marry people unless they complete their pre-marital counseling course first.

^^

It is not even a requirement to get married in a church, so why would ss couples try to force churches to marry them? Besides, there are some churches who already perform ss ceremonies, no? But NOBODY.. NOBODY is forcing churches to marry ss couples. It would only be a matter of the STATE. This is why I think some religious groups are fighting the wrong battle.

What do WE (because I am Catholic) really hope to accomplish? I mean.. ss couples exist already.. you know? Preventing them from marrying is not going to..change this. Is this what we Christians want? Do WE think withholding marriage is going to somehow convert homosexuals? No.. this is not going to happen. In fact, as we Christians can see it has just made people.. it has just pushed people away from religion at all, and this is shameful.. Shameful to focus on this one thing.. which.. really we are not to judge anyway. But because we pass judgment then..see how we look like hypocrites.

A lot of couples do not even get married in a church for goodness sakes. I went to a wedding at somebody's house, soo... What I am trying to say is that even in the U.S., for a marriage to be "legal," then it is a requirement to be married by the state. A "church" wedding is not required even though many, many people opt to have a church/state ceremony combined. A "church" wedding alone is not legal--without the required paperwork, will not be recognized by the "state." But a civil ceremony is recognized by the state and is legalif not recognized by a church. So ss couples just want the opportunity for a "civil" marriage, not necessarily a "religious" marriage.

As far as picking and choosing what to believe in religion, I am not picking or choosing: I am leaving it up to God because I do not know. I know the Scriptures.. but.. I just cannot judge. I want to love people.. and accept them, having compassion for their situation. I will leave the judgment to God in the end because we will all have to be judged. So I honestly do not see how this way of thinking goes against my religious beliefs. I am honest enough and HUMBLE enough to say I do not know all things, so I cannot judge one way or another. Besides, as you said, there is separation between church and state, so how does the STATE allowing ss couples to marry go against my belief in God when He is going to judge on this and many things anyway regardless of what the State has to say?

Speaking of these many other things... Prince would still be married(how many times has he been married anyway) if we went by a strict reading of the Bible, I would think. And also if the State followed the Bible strictly, well he would still be married. Plus I do not think he would even have a career, no? I mean, he was very controversial early-on, so if we went completely by religion, he would not have been able to express himself. All of this said, I do not judge him either. I do not know his circumstances, so maybe he had no choice but to divorce or express himself in something contrary to the Bible. And if he wants to be against homosexuality and ss marriage due to his religious beliefs... well he has this right. However, to deny other people opportunities UNDER THE LAW he has had while also going against religion is not fair or just. He cannot FORCE anybody into "faith" just like he could not be forced into faith until he was "ready." And some people might reject religion altogether, so this is their choice and RIGHT under the law.

Finally, you know.. I respect our government for giving us the freedom of religion. We will always have freedom of religion. Nobody is going to stop us from having this freedom. But we seem to be "afraid" of losing our dominance.. this is more the problem. Well.. I am not afraid of this.. because to be honest, we really do not have dominance anyway. Faith is not about forcing somebody into believing one way or another. We cannot force people, so to think we are "dominant" well.. this is mistake because I wonder how many people's religious beliefs are "pure," you know? We have to risk "letting go," and letting go of our "dominance" to find out the purity of our faith.

I watched a little bit of Bill O'Reilly last night, and Kirk Cameron was on it. Apparently, there were some Evangelicals going somewhere in San Fransico, trying to convert gays or something? Well.. yes there is freedom of speech, but there is also stirring the pot, too. And as I said, at one point, we Christians need to "let go," and let people live their lives--allowing them love.. and maybe just maybe they will come back.. or if not come back, meet us halfway to where we can coexist. This is all everybody wants is to coexists. I mean.. these are adults.. and for these evangelicals to do this. oh c'mon this was just stirring the pot.. and was more about THEM being martyrs or something, but not spreading the word of God. I just could not believe these people would to there in heat of controversy, trying to bring gays to the Lord. What did they expect to find? What did they expect the reaction to be?

Why not go to a homeless shelter in the gay community, working side by side with gays to pass-out food for the hungry? Why not work at an AIDS hospice--offering help, compassion, and hope? Why not come together for the good of all people, putting differences aside? Why not reach-out in different ways? But no, these evangelicals decide to parade down a San Francisco street, creating drama and attention, professing to be "deliverers" or something like that. No wonder people do not respect religion. So we have nobody but ourselves to blame. Blaming the gays.. no.. it is OUR fault people are turning away from us.

Anyway, Kirk Cameron.. a big eyeroll to that guy. Suffice to say, ss marriage is not going to cause the downfall of society: it's this constant "politicizing" of religion that is turning people away.
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lascantas said:

gay marriage is not right.

find another name but its stupid to cal it marriage.

marriage entails a man and a woman.

MAN+ WOMAN

i want gay people to have the same rights and no discrimination of course but its a matter of concept.


MARRIAGE comes from MATRimonium.

it should be called GAYIAGE or something different.

but never MARRIAGE.

marriage comes from latin word MATRIMONIUM which has nothing to do with the church. it comes from roman law and means the right a woman had to get "married" with a MAN so to have babies in accordance with the law. having babies out of marriage was illegal.

anyway, it should have a different name.

oh and im personally against 2 men raising babies. 2 women is a different thing, obviously.
[Edited 11/19/08 9:52am]
[Edited 11/19/08 10:05am]

dustysgirl said:

lascantas said: