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Obama will probably not bring war crime charges Bad idea, bad advise, bad start to "regain America's moral standing around the world", if this is true.
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Of course Bush will pardon any buddy in crime, himself, Rumsfeld and Cheney first. | |
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Can the Hague bring charges? I stay Woke.
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Are we really going to go after Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzalez, and everyone who worked for them?
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SUPRMAN said: Are we really going to go after Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzalez, and everyone who worked for them?
No. It serves no purpose because the final authorization came from the Executive Branch. We are not going to spend four years rehashing the Bush Administration. Expect to see a lot of wrongdoing uncovered but few prosecutions. The same thing was said when Nixon broke the law. I stay Woke.
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: SUPRMAN said: Are we really going to go after Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzalez, and everyone who worked for them?
No. It serves no purpose because the final authorization came from the Executive Branch. We are not going to spend four years rehashing the Bush Administration. Expect to see a lot of wrongdoing uncovered but few prosecutions. The same thing was said when Nixon broke the law. Nixon was a different case. He was a sitting President with a paper trail and audiotape of his criminal behavior. Also, Nixon was ratted out. No one is ratting out Bush or Cheney on an indictable level yet. The Hague cannot go after Bush. I think we are either not signatories or only signed with the stipulation that any U.S. citizen could only be tried with U.S. consent. We are not in the ICC yet I don't think. We wanted an exemption for U.S. military on foreign soil. Meanwhile, civic knowledge is enhanced by discussing public affairs, taking part in civic activities and reading about current events and history, the group said.
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International Cricket Council?
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foal30 said: International Cricket Council?
look this is no good, I was cheer-leading for Obama on the clear understanding that he will haul before the court those responsible for genocide, aggression, theft and murder.These little men torturing because they lack either the mental capability to say no, or the balls to be a real man are small fry. start at the top Obama, get the real criminals. It'll really do wonders for America's standing abroad, and show following wannabe administrations that there is a penalty for hijacking the land of the free.No charges = compliance to crime.Eyes cannot be shut to the horrendous crimes perpetrated in your name for others profit. International Criminal Court Don't expect it. I would be very surprised to see it. We may shame them by exposing their deeds but it's bad form to pursue criminal and civil charges against the previous administration. Meanwhile, civic knowledge is enhanced by discussing public affairs, taking part in civic activities and reading about current events and history, the group said.
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Sadly, I agree...
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if obama really had any balls he´d be pressing charges. small circles, big wheels! | |
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Rightly said: if obama really had any balls he´d be pressing charges.
Obama could not press charges. Congress or the Attorney General would have to do that. Because they are out of office it may be beyond Congress' reach but no the AG's. Obama could direct the AG to find and prosecute. Meanwhile, civic knowledge is enhanced by discussing public affairs, taking part in civic activities and reading about current events and history, the group said.
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No shit he won't, he's said as much everytime. Pelosi, none of the "major" dems are behind it. | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Can the Hague bring charges?
They could but they would not. Bush has threatened the Netherlands with an INVASION of the Hague if any US citizen is brought to the Hague for war crimes. That's US moral standing and friendship for ya. | |
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SUPRMAN said: foal30 said: International Cricket Council?
look this is no good, I was cheer-leading for Obama on the clear understanding that he will haul before the court those responsible for genocide, aggression, theft and murder.These little men torturing because they lack either the mental capability to say no, or the balls to be a real man are small fry. start at the top Obama, get the real criminals. It'll really do wonders for America's standing abroad, and show following wannabe administrations that there is a penalty for hijacking the land of the free.No charges = compliance to crime.Eyes cannot be shut to the horrendous crimes perpetrated in your name for others profit. International Criminal Court Don't expect it. I would be very surprised to see it. We may shame them by exposing their deeds but it's bad form to pursue criminal and civil charges against the previous administration. Oh cry me a river that it's "bad form" to go after previous administrations. It's way worse form to let war criminals get away with their crimes. Not only will you once again confirm the world's view that the US is a nation of not to be trusted, war monging hypocrites that will let their criminals get away with any hiddeous crime in the name of God, freedom and the people, you will also create the legal precedent that administration members engaged in war crimes can not, will not and should not be prosecuted for it. Wow, that's so reassuring. With all due respect for your viewpoints, it's utterly dumb and immoral to risk all that just because it's "bad form" to go after them. [Edited 11/18/08 0:21am] | |
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RenHoek said: Sadly, I agree...
Although I am a fervent supporter for the Bush crimeys to have their day in court... I feel that our economic woes far outweigh that "in the moment"... If Obama were able to stabilize and even boost our economy in a short time, using whatever means, perhaps in the 2nd or 3rd year of his first term we'd see him be able to turn his focus on that... Ah the age old excuse of: please not now, because I am busy with something much more important than the fact that they illegally invaded another nation, blew it up and killed hundreds of thousands a long with it for a bunch of lies that only made our rich richer and our nation poorer. Yes they torture and committ numerous other war crimes in our name but hey, "it's the economy stupid!" But I am glad that you will at least consider justice for a "later moment". Wonder tho' what the excuse will be then. That after careful consideration of all the facts, it's a case of "bad form" to go after a previous administration? [Edited 11/18/08 0:27am] | |
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lilgish said: No shit he won't, he's said as much everytime. Pelosi, none of the "major" dems are behind it.
And what Peolosi and other "majors" think is law. That's how civilisation works. You let co-criminals decide on what the course of justice should be: no justice. | |
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Tremolina said: lilgish said: No shit he won't, he's said as much everytime. Pelosi, none of the "major" dems are behind it.
And what Peolosi and other "majors" think is law. That's how civilisation works. You let co-criminals decide on what the course of justice should be: no justice. I don't vote for "either" parties, so don't blame me, I only supported candidates that wanted impeachment or war crimes for Bush, Cheney... | |
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lilgish said: Tremolina said: And what Peolosi and other "majors" think is law. That's how civilisation works. You let co-criminals decide on what the course of justice should be: no justice. I don't vote for "either" parties, so don't blame me, I only supported candidates that wanted impeachment or war crimes for Bush, Cheney... Kucinich Some times I like to put ketchup on my roasties...deal with it! Yay!! I am going to hell, some place warm! | |
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lilgish said: Tremolina said: And what Peolosi and other "majors" think is law. That's how civilisation works. You let co-criminals decide on what the course of justice should be: no justice. I don't vote for "either" parties, so don't blame me, I only supported candidates that wanted impeachment or war crimes for Bush, Cheney... I didn't blame you personally, just the wacked out reasons you mentioned. | |
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shanti0608 said: lilgish said: I don't vote for "either" parties, so don't blame me, I only supported candidates that wanted impeachment or war crimes for Bush, Cheney... Kucinich The guy that led a weak 3 day campaign to "impeach" Bush and Cheney only for his own political gain and didn't even put up a fight to have it endorsed by his party members. | |
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Tremolina said: shanti0608 said: Kucinich The guy that led a weak 3 day campaign to "impeach" Bush and Cheney only for his own political gain and didn't even put up a fight to have it endorsed by his party members. I guess he has moved on to the "bail out" controversy. I know that most politicians are the same and are only out for personal/party gain. I admire him above most for at least voting NO for the war in Iraq before it was popular to be against it. Some times I like to put ketchup on my roasties...deal with it! Yay!! I am going to hell, some place warm! | |
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Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the whole crew will live thousands of lifetimes of hell to correct their evil doings.
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AriesIII said: Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the whole crew will live thousands of lifetimes of hell to correct their evil doings.
Powell was smart, he got out early. I'm hopeful Obama will do the right thing was far as bringing peace and prosperity around the world, there is too much to do concertrate too much focus on the previous administration, every dog has its day. So you are okay with not prosecuting them? | |
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Tremolina said: AriesIII said: Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the whole crew will live thousands of lifetimes of hell to correct their evil doings.
Powell was smart, he got out early. I'm hopeful Obama will do the right thing was far as bringing peace and prosperity around the world, there is too much to do concertrate too much focus on the previous administration, every dog has its day. So you are okay with not prosecuting them? No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying there are more important and urgent circumstances that need his immediate and decisive actions, namely, saving homeowners homes from the mouths of predators who have stolen and crushed the engine that drives the global economy. Banks and Fannie May are not interested in being accountable for their greedy actions with regards to homeowners...nothing has happened but more tricks and deceitful actions on the part of agency heads and politicians...just watch Paulson and Bernanke on tv today, they're going to be jumping hoops and creating more lies. The best way to punish these guys is to close down the Federal Reserve and print our own money, the people's money. | |
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AriesIII said: Tremolina said: So you are okay with not prosecuting them? No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying there are more important and urgent circumstances that need his immediate and decisive actions, namely, saving homeowners homes from the mouths of predators who have stolen and crushed the engine that drives the global economy. Banks and Fannie May are not interested in being accountable for their greedy actions with regards to homeowners...nothing has happened but more tricks and deceitful actions on the part of agency heads and politicians...just watch Paulson and Bernanke on tv today, they're going to be jumping hoops and creating more lies. Fenny and Freddie ceo's should be prosecuted as well. AIG ceo's should immediately be fired and all their bonuses confiscated, followed by prosecution too. While he is at it, he orders the DA to bring in the Bushista's and he can go on and worry about other urgent matters. Making such a decision is not work for him but it IS urgent! The best way to punish these guys is to close down the Federal Reserve and print our own money, the people's money.
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Tremolina said: Of course Bush will pardon any buddy in crime, himself, Rumsfeld and Cheney first.
Actually he's already preemptively pardonned himself in a provision that was slipped into a bill last year. Essentially, it pardons him ahead of time. Congress (Republicans AND Democrats) signed off on it. Obama can't push for charges even if he tried. IMPORTANT AS ALL HELL: http://prince.org/msg/7/293484 | |
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Imago said: Tremolina said: Of course Bush will pardon any buddy in crime, himself, Rumsfeld and Cheney first.
Actually he's already preemptively pardonned himself in a provision that was slipped into a bill last year. Essentially, it pardons him ahead of time. Congress (Republicans AND Democrats) signed off on it. Obama can't push for charges even if he tried. Source bitte mr. imago. | |
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Tremolina said: Imago said: Actually he's already preemptively pardonned himself in a provision that was slipped into a bill last year. Essentially, it pardons him ahead of time. Congress (Republicans AND Democrats) signed off on it. Obama can't push for charges even if he tried. Source bitte mr. imago. IMPORTANT AS ALL HELL: http://prince.org/msg/7/293484 | |
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It's pretty simple. Obama could use the power he helped grant to the executive, declare Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, and even Powell "enemy combatants", and detain them without charge until he has time to pursue a prosecution against them. You woke up in the morning with a peculiar feeling
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Imago said: Tremolina said: Source bitte mr. imago. I am at work. Do you have a transcript? or better yet, a legal source and not a journalist? [Edited 11/18/08 8:04am] | |
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